Movie of the Week

Terminator

• Mike Sitnikov, Will Gish • Season 3 • Episode 10

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This week, we had the privilege of seeing a 4k remaster version of Terminator on the big screen in Hollywood. We've both seen this film before, many times, but never on the big screen and never looking this good! Stop by and hear us chat about what makes Terminator such a good movie and what we thought of this new restored version.

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Unknown
Yeah. The way of the week. Welcome back to movie of the week. My name is Wil, aka Fatboy, aka daddy. We have a special episode today. Joined by who are you? This is hog hog Lord Don Dunlop day. Hog day? No, but did you. So we posted the audio episode to. Oh, yeah, and I, I pressed play on it on my, Apple podcast just to give us an extra play and, Dunlop, Dunlop, Dunlop, the hog that know.

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Unknown
Well it wasn't one that you had in there. You added the D'Agostino in it. Where does that come from. I said it sounded like a name that you could keep adding extra names to. And you added D'Agostino. That's a good one. I also like, Sir Hog Bert the third. I like that one. Or Lord hog, Lord hog bought the third.

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Unknown
I like, hog salami. That was a new one, I saw them. You mixed fine. It's.

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Unknown
Salinas.

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Unknown
But so absolutely useless making fun of the name. Now, what's just fell backwards out of my chair? And why don't you tell us about your fine dining experience? It's. What do you have? No, not. You're what you're drinking. What are you? They can see it's candy. They can see. And people are listening to this. Oh, just because you're filming it doesn't mean anybody's watching.

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Unknown
I have some candies. What do you have? I have Kit-Kat, snicker, Milky Way and. And what did you already eat, kid? Can't snicker. But these are, like, fun size for kids. And I'm at least like 18 kids. Kids? How do you say it? Like, I'm like 18 kids. So it's like, whatever. It doesn't even matter. So nothing like 18 kids size of 18 kids.

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Unknown
So it's like, how much do you weigh right now? I'm at 255. Okay. Average. Why are you looking up? Average five year old weight is 40 pounds. So how many kids are you? Five. Six. About 6 or 7 and up. Six. And I have five year olds. But if we're talking about like, malnourished, abused kids, I'm like 20 of them have average malnourished child weight, it's not going to have it okay.

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Unknown
No. Good. Thank God there's no statistics on that okay. So today we're talking about Terminator. Hello 1984 James Cameron Galen heard Arnold Schwarzenegger or Michael Biehn obviously. You know Hamilton, Linda Hamilton. The reason we're talking about this is that Mike and I saw it in theaters as part of the Academy Museum's cyberpunk series. We've both seen it before multiple times, many, but never in theaters.

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Unknown
I've seen it once. Oh, I'd never seen it. I saw the 30th anniversary screening at The Egyptian in Hollywood, 2014 with Galen Hurd in Cameron in person doing a Q&A, and Schwarzenegger was supposed to be there, but he got sick. So he recorded a special video message that they played before I saw the with with Jim and Danny.

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Unknown
I think we saw the 25 year of Terminator two. That was me. You. I fucking drove you there. Hello. And you know it. Know it is. I thought I drove myself and I meant no, no, it was the 3D one I invented, like this whole story around that. And it's like. It's like Existenz with Alan Rickman just inventing it.

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Unknown
But that was in 3D. Remember when they. Oh, I don't obviously remember it was this 9 to 2017, right. Because that was 25 years from there too. Yeah. No, but we watched 2016 and we had a we did a 30th anniversary screening member on, on the projector in my backyard of Terminator two. And Jack wouldn't stop talking all the other subtitles on it too, right.

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Unknown
Because Jack insisted on having subtitles. And he would stop talking. He wants the subtitles so that he can talk nonstop the whole time. Oh. So. But this was a Dolby Vision 4K. Let's go. It looks fucking amazing. My primary. I've seen this movie probably, like around ten times. At least half of those times. I have a, later, a DVD of this movie that is.

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Unknown
I got for a dollar. Actually, you were there. You remember that thrift store in Culver City that has since been demolished across the street from Sony? I got the DVD of Terminator. They're like eight, maybe eight years ago. Seven years ago for like, a dollar. And apparently that is the only release on disc that has the original mono audio.

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Unknown
Yeah. So it's like a coveted release, which I didn't know at the time. I just bought it cause it was a dollar and I've watched it maybe like eight. Yeah. And I am now. Maybe. Yeah, filming is 6 or 7 times, but, og so I mean, we've seen this movie so many times and presumably people listening to it have seen it a bunch of times.

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Unknown
So my, my thought here was rather than like just talking about the movie and trying to analyze it and shit like that, we would talk a little bit about the movie, but then I have some pop quizzes for you. Oh boy, that I thought would be fun and just kind of like the context of the movie. It's, it's legacy, if you want to call it that.

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Unknown
And also a little bit of hog biography, because this was a big movie for you as a kid. Right? Well, tell us about that. So I originally saw this, I think, when I was I want to say seven, eight something in that range earlier than I should have been watching it. And and I didn't know anything about it and I don't really remember too much about it went from that viewing except towards the end.

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Unknown
And again, I'm sure you've all seen Terminator when, all the skin gets melted off and he turns into the metal skeleton there, and he's chasing them for the ending. That really freaked me out as a kid and then gave me, like, nightmares. And I remember going to bed that night and I was like, in a bed and in a small room, and you can look out and see, like our hallway leading to all the other rooms.

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Unknown
Oh, shit. Did you think he was going to come down? I thought, I thought I could swear like, every time I heard some weird noise that the Terminator was coming for me with, like, the skull and everything, and it freaked me out as a kid, I was probably the first scary movie I've seen. It's the whole Snickers bar in your mouth.

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Unknown
I have no idea. You saw it on TV or was it edited or unedited? I can't remember, I'm sure it was that. It was probably on TNT or TBS. And then did you start? Did you watch it more, or did it just stick in your brain from that initial? I don't remember all. I remember being really freaked out by that moment.

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Unknown
I don't think I'd seen a lot of scary movies. And I know Terminator is not really a horror film, but they're scary. No, but I mean, that's one of the things I want to talk about today is how well we'll get into it. But, you know, like, it really is very dark. It's a very dark movie and it's very different.

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Unknown
The second I saw this one, well, it's interesting, it's very different in some respects, but in other respects they're very similar. Like the structures are very similar. There's no way that you can say that whole thing like that. Like it was a great book. Okay. So, so, yeah, I saw Terminator two when it first came out on VHS, so that probably would have been like the end of 91, early 92.

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Unknown
So I was like 8 or 9 and I became obsessed with it, like obsessed, to the point that I actually wrote Terminator three as like a class assignment because I wanted to I wanted so badly to know that was what was going to happen next. I didn't want to wait for the movie to come out. Was your Terminator three like a direct sequel?

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Unknown
Yeah, and it was so much better than the one that eventually came out. And so, and there was and the funny thing is, like, Terminator is not very good, but it's probably the third or fourth best one, probably the fourth best. I, I don't know, I mean, so I liked salvation and I haven't seen Dark Fate. Well, okay, here's my thing with salvation, I, I agree with you that that's a really good movie.

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Unknown
I think of it as out like as it's this kind of separate thing outside of the if you're talking about the continuum of like the Arnold, Sarah Connor like that story, I, I would probably say two and one or obviously that's futile two and I would I would kind of put them tied at number one. Then I would say Dark Fate.

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Unknown
Dark fate is hit or miss, like a lot of it is really good. Some of it is bad, is really bad. And so if you say like 100% of the movie, I would say 50% of it's really good, 25% is really bad movie, not really bad, but like, not great. And then the other 25% is just kind of like me.

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Unknown
But it's not. I was I know this sounds like a terrible thing to say, but like, I thought Genesis was so bad. It was, I couldn't finish. It was terrible. I very, very rarely turn movies off, and I couldn't finish that movie because it was. So it's Turner one, two, three, salvation, Genesis and Dark Fate. Yeah. And then there's The Sarah Connor Chronicles, whose TV show which I heard is good, but I never watched that.

00;09;03;24 - 00;09;18;01
Unknown
And then the the recent anime that came, which you did watch, I did watch and actually recorded a review for I just know where is it? Put it up. I was just pagan and then I, I made graphics for it and then I rewatched it and I'm like, who is this fat bastard talking about? Nonsense? People love that.

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Unknown
Look at me. I'm a fat bastard to talk about. Now, I, I found the anime to be very hit and miss and not not great. Was it better than Genesis? Yes. Is it? What is worse than Genesis movie wise? Yeah. And I'm a history. Genesis. I mean yeah. Nemesis three is. Yeah, I mean, that was better. But the thing that you have to like, I know you're talking, you're talking about big, but it was like, no, but but the thing about nemesis three that that always I think bears mentioning is that it wasn't supposed to exist as a separate movie.

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Unknown
It's like it's shit from nemesis two that he like strung together as its own movie. Yeah. For a more for a better comparison, what you're saying is, well, it's worse than Genesis, meaning a big budget, like, dude, a movie that I think is genuinely fucking terrible that have like a huge budget and made a shitload of money was Jurassic World.

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Unknown
Yeah. But I got all the way through that and I turned Genesis off, so I would say that's probably better. So like, I'm going to get a lot of hate for this. Tell us the master, Paul Townsend. Oh, you. But that's not a big budget movie, though, is it? It's like, was that, like 60 million? Yeah, it's a studio movie.

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Unknown
Yeah, I hated that movie. Oh, it's like hated Inside Llewyn Davis. Oh, my. What about you? Eat you people's whole Genesis or you people? Which one is better? Genesis. Because Genesis is just awful. But it's still there's still Terminators doing stuff, right? You people, it's just like it's just like a few people. It's Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Wasted. That's a bigger crime there.

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Unknown
Wait. They wasted a really good cast. Whereas Terminator Genesis is just like Jonah Hill's great guest. No, but Eddie Murphy, any work of any. And Louis Dreyfus. Yeah, those are all really good actors. Yeah. And Jonah Hill's been in really good movies, so he's not horrible. The genesis was I don't even remember is Emilia Clarke, and I don't remember anyone else in it really.

00;11;15;10 - 00;11;38;25
Unknown
Jason is his last name Clarke to the guy who's in Zero Dark 30. Oh, he became. Yeah, yeah. And then he's a good actor. I don't know what year he is when you read that script. Well, they probably all just thought they probably Terminator movie money like, Good lord. Okay, so but back to the original Terminator. There were a couple things I wanted to start out with the original and then I can give you my pop quiz is a,

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Unknown
Oh, here's something. How much money did this movie make? See if you can guess, because I know I up. Okay. I think it made, oh, a budget worth mentioning. Budget I think was 8 million. Budget was 6.4. So. Right. And I think it made in the 30s somewhere like 32,000,038 38 and international, you know like not a lot more maybe like 5040.

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Unknown
Yeah, for a total of 78 after 6.4. And that's really bad. Yeah. So like that's a really good read. It says. So what I was reading on about this movie today is that people considered it a hit relative to the space that it was working in, which means that it was not like a Christmas or summer release.

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Unknown
It's not like a huge blockbuster type of movie. It's not going to make hundreds of millions. But relative to what are you doing? Right? I'm just looking on there. Give me a second. I just want to double check something. Horgan wants to make sure he looks pretty. No, I want to make sure the, you know. No, no. You talking?

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Unknown
Oh, you mean on the camera? Not on the microphones. And. God, I couldn't see the little bar. Okay. Did say something up. I don't know, I'll just cut this portion out. That is work. Okay, so we were talking about how it did money relative to. I would have just left. Yeah. Okay. So I'm recording anything. Oh. It's been like, okay, we're not doing it like this.

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Unknown
The all right. Yeah. So so relative to its, its space in the market and its budget, it was a success, right? Yes. But where it really becomes successful and I am fascinated by and I even actually you may remember this, I did a video about this for the anime channel that I had very briefly before. It was just impossible for me to keep up with that.

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Unknown
I am fascinated by the, Hold on. I just lost my, Oh, boy. No, I just I need to find this fascinating. Like the numbers. No, I'm fascinated by the intersection of, like, technology and the creative side of cinema. So as an example of that, the way that, like, home video affects creativity in that you have.

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Unknown
So if you look at anime specifically, right, Star Wars becomes this huge phenomenon in the late 70s. There becomes this huge demand for original science fiction. In the anime space, you have the ability to do these insane things because you're working in animation of make spaceships or shit like that, right? For less of a budget. But you can really, like, dig into that genre space.

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Unknown
Then arises Betamax, VHS and all of this stuff. Or it's kind of concurrent with the release of these, like Star Wars and these other sci fi films like Blade Runner wasn't that long thereafter. Alien, right? Was a big hit, like right after Star Wars. And so you then have the technology to mass produce and bring directly to the consumer without the mediator of the movie theaters, all of this content that they are demanding because of the success of these films.

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Unknown
So then when you look at what I think is interesting, is you in the 1980s, you really start to see movies that were franchised on the back of their success on home video. Right. I remember seeing an interview with the producers of Lethal Weapon, where they talk about how it did really well in theaters, but when they knew they had a franchise like this was the VHS sales.

00;14;59;24 - 00;15;21;15
Unknown
Yeah. Where like through the roof, I think it's nowadays it's similar to where you could have a film come out and not do well in theaters, but then do really well streaming, and that'll give you like either a sequel or a direct sequel, straight to streaming or just more life events. Happens. A lot is happening like, right now it's happening a little bit with, Kevin Costner's horizon.

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Unknown
Like it didn't do well at all, but it's been really popular on HBO. And then now Netflix, and it's given more life to that film. And it happens a lot where you'll see, like, this person's bomb from four years ago is like climbing up the streaming charts, and then all of a sudden they're like, oh, we should do another one of those because people are finding out about it and finding it interesting.

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Unknown
So I'm sure was the same way back then with home video. And I mean Terminator like, well, so I actually I found, I found some info about oh, okay. Do you want to hear about it. Yeah. Okay. So let me just find this. Home media. Here we go. Terminator was released on VHS and Betamax in 1985. It premiered at number 35 on the top video cassette rentals.

00;16;05;04 - 00;16;23;08
Unknown
Number two. Well, but listen. And number 20 on the video sales charts. In its second week, it was number four oh on rentals and 12 on sales. So it kind of kept word of mouth. People were saying, you got to go see this movie. It's really fucking good. Everyone started renting it and then it was released on Laserdisc in 1995.

00;16;23;08 - 00;16;47;03
Unknown
It came out DVD in 1997. But listen to this. I found some disc sales, so I don't know if this is Blu ray or DVD. This is from 2009, so this is probably Blu ray sales, right? It was making, like hundreds of thousands of dollars a week in Blu ray sales in 2009 on a piece of metal on my arm.

00;16;47;05 - 00;16;58;08
Unknown
So you're turning into German and it looks like little splinter. Yeah. So you are turning into Germans. Are you saying you have no idea what I'm talking about right now? Talking about movies?

00;16;58;11 - 00;17;20;02
Unknown
Pig! Why are you doing this? Hurts. I have to get it out. So take it out. I don't have any tools, you know. I don't have any tweezers in your room. And you're. I don't want to go to my office as far, so just keep going. So anyway, it did really well in home video sales and that helped increase the reputation, the visibility and the kind of the cultural cachet.

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Unknown
Is that the expression that I'm looking for of the movie, it also and I think this is really interesting, it got kind of mediocre reviews when it first came out. Los Angeles Times called it a crackling thriller full of all sorts of gory treats loaded with fuel injected chasing. So they liked it. And my sense of humor right?

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Unknown
But a lot of the reviews were mediocre. But then starting in the early 90s, obviously you have the release of Terminator two, right? People start reevaluating this movie, and all of a sudden people are saying, like, like Roger Ebert says, what originally seemed a somewhat inflated, if generous and energetic big picture now seems like quite a good little film.

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Unknown
And he upgraded its rating to an A. Yeah, somebody else called it slick. Rather nasty, but undeniably compelling. But here's what's interesting that same person, Halliwell's Film Guide, said, it's a comic book adventure, which is like whether it's based on a comic book. That's such a condescending thing to say now, because you're basically like saying that's not it's not worthy of serious consideration.

00;18;22;19 - 00;18;44;27
Unknown
You're basically saying it's a really good movie, but we can't consider it seriously because it has these pulpy kind of elements to it, which I I've always hated that way of thinking. I find it to be really pretentious because good filmmaking is good filmmaking, no matter what the movie is about or who's making the movie. But anyway, so you could like one person said it was obviously one of the greatest sci fi films ever, one of the most influential films of the 1980s.

00;18;45;00 - 00;19;07;26
Unknown
One of the things that I was so impressed by upon this, this rewatch and other recent rewatch, because I watched this movie five times in the past, like getting is the storytelling is so damn good, like it's so tight and it's so economical. Like there's no wasted moments, it moves so quickly. What happens when you have a good screenwriter and a good director?

00;19;07;29 - 00;19;29;03
Unknown
What they can do that literally the only thing you're just burping and farting and saying the most obvious nonsense in the world, you've nothing to say. Oh, well, you keep going on someone to let you go on. No, this is like, no. Yeah, you were talking cuz it's not. I'm saying this. We're talking about the storytelling. Oh yeah.

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Unknown
Give me an example. Fucking spine. Give me an example which is talking about the old movie, the structure of it, the way the scenes are put together, the sequences like, yeah, the pacing of it. And you, you know, I, I'm not a big fan of flashbacks or cutaways from but this goes this but this one did it really.

00;19;50;26 - 00;20;18;02
Unknown
No, this one did it real well because it's not often. And when we do see it, it really tells us who these are. You say it's what happens when you get a good director screening. That's literally what you said. That's. That's true. Is that wrong? Am I not speaking facts here? It's I'm speaking facts. You. Daddy spent like two weeks prepping and making deals.

00;20;18;02 - 00;20;34;02
Unknown
I know, and I just say, how are buying this chocolate? No, but like, what I was saying is, like, the flashbacks you do or flash forwards, what are you going to call them? You do see a really important because a the they show the world that he's trying to prevent and it shows him as a character. Why why he is the way he is.

00;20;34;02 - 00;20;50;01
Unknown
And then as you go on, you find out that he volunteered for the mission because he fell in love with her. And then you start the ins. Like, is that because he just fell in love with her and he volunteered for the mission or the John Connor kind of force that to happen because he saw in him the soldier he wanted to go back and pretend like all that.

00;20;50;01 - 00;21;16;04
Unknown
Yeah. Yes. I'm also not a big fan of time travel stories because never really they don't make sense to me. So if if it happens in a film, I appreciate it where it's like it happens and then they don't fucking bring it up every five seconds, right? Whether or not like constantly trying to explain. Yes. And then they start trying to explain it like that was one of the big problems I had with the term of anime is like, there's a whole episode where they spend a bunch of time explaining the time travel and they're, you know, drawn diagrams and stuff.

00;21;16;04 - 00;21;39;10
Unknown
I'm like, this is so fucking stupid. I'll just do it and fucking go on. But this is what's great about it, right? When they ask, Michael Biehn, Kyle Reese in the police station about the the specifics of the time travel machine, he's like, I don't know, I didn't build the damn thing. Yeah, but that's almost like the screenwriter saying, this is not the fucking point.

00;21;39;12 - 00;22;03;13
Unknown
Yeah, I'm not trying to. Is the characters the story like the and the way that they can like, you know, the way that this movie is so 80s and it's like it reminded me a bit of like escape from New York with the dystopian city thing and stuff, but it's like so of that era, you know, and and yet it is this other thing to and it, I mean, they it's, it's a great idea right.

00;22;03;13 - 00;22;30;17
Unknown
To have a movie set in contemporary LA 1984, but with this element where you can cut away to the future, where this war is happening, so that you can have like these hardcore genres, sci fi scenes that are like nothing you've ever seen before that appeal to the average fan. But the vast majority of the movie is rooted in like a contemporary day to day existence that the audience can relate to.

00;22;30;20 - 00;22;50;02
Unknown
So it's not like Bladerunner, right? Where the whole thing is like cyberpunk future, like, right? It gives you day to day life in your contemporary era, but it also gives you this other thing, and it can you can kind of see how like you can relate to the everyday life of 1984 because you know, we I was born right after that.

00;22;50;02 - 00;23;11;05
Unknown
But people remember that time. Right? And so they're and they're seen in the 80s, 90s, 2000. And young people now fetishize it. Right. And technology advancing. Right. And so you could see in our day to day lives how technology is advancing. And like people do, always, always mention, like when we do a new AI thing or something that they're like, oh, I'm going to take over.

00;23;11;05 - 00;23;33;08
Unknown
I'm like, okay, bringing that up because they can see it happen in this movie and they can kind of see us like, like there's fucking robots and shit like that. We're getting closer and closer to creating like humanoid robots and you can't tell the difference. And like that, that's always one of the big things in Terminator two. They said they were winning the war until they created the T-800, which infiltrated their base and they couldn't tell.

00;23;33;10 - 00;23;54;17
Unknown
Right? So like, we're getting close to that. So you can kind of relate to everything that's happening in the film, even though it's a sci fi. All this stuff is getting like eerily close. I do think it also, this movie does a good job of showing the complexity of people's relationship with machines because like, for instance, Sarah Connor's roommate is always on her little her Walkman or whatever they were.

00;23;54;23 - 00;24;17;03
Unknown
They've got the answering machine in their apartment that becomes like a plot device in the movie, right? Sarah's got her little scooter that she rides around and stuff like that. There's that scene where Kyle Reese is sleeping in his car, and you see the construction in vehicles of like. So we do see the fact that our lives are completely, inextricably intertwined with machines, robots, technology, and a lot of that is benign.

00;24;17;08 - 00;24;43;10
Unknown
But there is a danger in taking it too far. Right. Which I think is interesting. I also just think, like, there's so much there's so many sequences in this movie where there's so little dialog and it's like such good, pure filmmaking. Like, as you said in that Terminator show, there's people just explaining shit. Drawing on a board, like so much of movies, has become so dominated by what is written before anything is filmed or envisioned, that you have so much extraneous dialog.

00;24;43;10 - 00;25;06;23
Unknown
And like Francis Ford Coppola even said, the one of the worst things to ever happen to cinema was the advent of sound so early in the development of the medium, because it prevented people from continuing to develop original visual language. And just then after that, just relying on dialog to explain stuff to people. Yeah. And I really like that they don't spend a bunch of time explaining things.

00;25;06;23 - 00;25;25;12
Unknown
It's like, this is a cyborg. He's he's a robot covering human skin. And that's it. Right? Because you could sit there and feel like you really want to. You could question a lot, like what is powering him? Is it a battery? Is it ever run out? Can fire hurt it? Can it not hurt it when it's like you can you could find a lot of different ways.

00;25;25;12 - 00;25;48;04
Unknown
Like when he got hit, but when he got blown up in the in the tractor, why didn't that blow it apart? And then the bomb later when Reese puts it in him. Yeah. Like, because there's a way bigger explosion with the truck. So like, you could ask all these, like, different questions. Drove, like, picking at it, and you can always you can do that almost every sci fi movie because it's not stuff we exist for us.

00;25;48;06 - 00;26;04;10
Unknown
So I like that they don't spend a lot of time, like even in the police station, he doesn't like they're like, I think they're able to Terminator or whatever. They don't really spend a lot of time. He's not explaining to them what a Terminator is. Right. And that's also because, I mean, that's really great writing. Yeah, because that's not the dramatic point of the scene.

00;26;04;10 - 00;26;21;22
Unknown
No. Right. And so we just see what he is playing it from, from tech, from the scene in Tech noir where Kyle shoots him and he gets up like nothing. We we know what the Terminator is about. Like conventional weapons aren't just going to stop it. And so we don't need to know more. Okay. So now you mentioned tech more.

00;26;21;29 - 00;26;46;19
Unknown
This is just a quick thing I want to mention. Yeah. The Terminator is cited as the film. Here we go. Let me read this to you, authors. Paul Meehan in his book Tech More The Fusion of Science Fiction and Film Noir and Emily Auger in Tech Noir film A theory of development of popular genres. These results came out in 2008 2000, respectively.

00;26;46;22 - 00;27;09;24
Unknown
The Terminator belongs to this genre that they've come up with called Techno War, and both of them say that the term and the entire genre itself, well, the term comes from Terminator, and the two films that kind of started the genre were Blade Runner and Terminator Blade Runner, to be obvious, because it's a film noir that's a they're more or less but advanced versions of term.

00;27;09;26 - 00;27;27;17
Unknown
But so this is I had never heard of Tech Noir before. I mean, I know the club in you know, I met the club techno or Pica, which is in the perimeter song. Right, which he samples that dialog. I just, I think of Terminator and Blade Runner as cyberpunk, and I think of Blade Runner, cyberpunk with film noir elements.

00;27;27;17 - 00;27;52;05
Unknown
But tech noir is a hybrid genre of fiction, particularly in film, combining film noir and science fiction, epitomized by Ridley Scott's Blade Runner and James Cameron's The Terminator. I wonder what other film like nemesis would fit in there. Well, let me ask you this what in your mind, because a Blade Runner so obviously noir, right? He's got the fucking trenchcoat and and depending which voice is the voice over and only on the version.

00;27;52;06 - 00;28;18;00
Unknown
Yeah, but what do you. Okay, so it looks like Minority Report is considered the genre. Brazil. The city of Lost Children, 12 monkeys. Gattaca. Who's, you know, 13, four brave new World. Or no, that's indebted to Brave New World. Matrix. No. It's same Gattaca. The. No ghost in the shell is on here. Tron. I would imagine that matrix would be Crusade.

00;28;18;02 - 00;28;40;10
Unknown
Nemesis should be the. It's just probably not the the matrix has noir elements with like the way the cops speak and like the. You could take that jurors my diction. Correct. Yeah. Cram it up your ass. That sounds like film noir dialog. Anyway, so that's Rose. Your question. No, I'm just bringing that up because I thought that was interesting, so that's cool.

00;28;40;14 - 00;29;02;21
Unknown
I, I'd also not heard the term tech more used as a film subgenre. Yeah. Well, I mean, these books are relatively recent, like past 15 years that apparently this genre has been coined. There's a really interesting story about, I think its name is William Gibson. Right. Who wrote Neuromancer? Have you read that book? No. Well, actually someone just brought that up that they're either making a movie or TV show.

00;29;02;22 - 00;29;24;09
Unknown
Oh, are they really. It's an amazing book. And it came out in I think 1984, which is obviously same as Terminator. And it's considered kind of like ground zero for cyberpunk in fiction, like as in or in novel form. But William and William Gibson had written cyberpunk stuff previous to Neuromancer being published, like short stories and stuff. So he's considered to be one of the founders of the genre.

00;29;24;11 - 00;29;41;05
Unknown
But he, I guess, went to see Blade Runner in theaters while he was working on Neuromancer, was like, what the fuck? Like, this is the exact thing that I'm trying to do. Like, where did this come from? I'm just like, well, I mean, the plot is different, but like, the world. Yeah, he's like, this is exactly what I'm envisioning.

00;29;41;05 - 00;29;56;29
Unknown
And then all of a sudden it's like here before me. And he actually thought that it might tank like the prospects of his book. But lo and behold, it started an entire genre that still exists to this day. So do you want some pop quizzes? Yeah. Let's see. Let's see what you got. Can you tell me? Oh, boy.

00;29;57;01 - 00;30;19;06
Unknown
Top ten. Do you want domestic or worldwide, I don't care. Well, you got to pick because there's two. Let's do domestics. Box office, 1984. I mean, I don't even know all films came out. You know, you can't Google cheating. What films came out cheating? You got you just got to know. You just got to know if you can get any of them.

00;30;19;06 - 00;30;42;05
Unknown
There are some that you will obviously not like. 1984, no Star Wars. And one of them I think I might be wrong, but one of them, I think they may have come out in 83, but it was a holdover to 80. No Star Wars, no. Hold on, let me double check. No, they're all 1984. They might have been a Star Trek.

00;30;42;08 - 00;31;08;12
Unknown
Was there Star Trek, star Trek three? Yep, that's number eight. So I know two was 82. I think you know, no. Indiana Jones, there wasn't any other, Temple of Doom. I forgot what year they came. That's number two, because they want the last ones. 89 right here was 80, 80, 81 is Raiders. Okay, so Temple of Doom was number two.

00;31;08;12 - 00;31;30;02
Unknown
Okay. Got was Amadeus that year. Yeah. Well. And Amadeus won a bunch of Oscars. Yeah. Is it on let. No Dag came out in 84. It's hard to like just off the top of my mind. Okay, well, speaking of you people, one of them is an Eddie Murphy movie. Oh, this is a Beverly Hills cop. Yep, that's number seven.

00;31;30;02 - 00;31;48;22
Unknown
But this is domestic. Actually, Beverly Hills Cop, I think, was number one worldwide. That makes sense. But it was it was number seven, right. So I have three. You have three. That's not bad. Just off the top of your head I need some hints I think. Let me see let me see. Goonies was only five. Is there a Stephen King movie?

00;31;48;25 - 00;32;11;24
Unknown
Four. Do you want some hints? Yeah. Give me a little hint. One of them is a Christmas movie that's really violent with creatures in it. Critters? No. But similar gremlins. Gremlins? Yeah, that's number three. I've never gotten that number three on the list. Do you think horror films. Oh, Nightmare on Elm Street, that's not on the top ten.

00;32;11;26 - 00;32;33;27
Unknown
I came in early for, though it did. Let's see where it is. That's number 99. Good lord. All right, well, Friday the 13th, one of, Which one? One, two. Three. That's number 22 on the list. It's number four. The final chapter. Number four. People did not like, horror films, I guess. And, yeah, I need some hints.

00;32;33;27 - 00;33;13;02
Unknown
Bill Murray is in number one. Groundhog day. No bill Murray. Oh, Ghostbusters. Yep. You got half of them now? Yeah, one of them has, has a successful TV show right now. That's a sequel to it. Westworld? No, it's a sequel. Direct sequel. Teenagers. Wax on, wax off. Karate Kid karate. Got them. That makes sense. One of them has Kevin Bacon dancing, Kevin Bacon dancing.

00;33;13;05 - 00;33;33;05
Unknown
Why are you looking away? You don't know the Kevin Bacon dance? I don't know what you're talking about. It was a Flashdance. Or is it the other one? Dirty dancing? Footloose. Footloose. Okay. You had no idea. They're not even a little bit of an idea. I'm not even. There's three more. Okay, I would guess the two of them.

00;33;33;05 - 00;34;00;20
Unknown
You're. You'll never get. All right. What's the one I like? It's a comedy about cops. Beverly Hills cop. No, he already got that one. 48 hours. No. Probably. Don't. They're together. Training, police academy. Yep. Okay, okay. And then Michael Douglas is in one, and it's kind of in Indiana Jones ripoff. Oh, out of Africa now.

00;34;00;22 - 00;34;24;14
Unknown
The African Queen. Now, what is it? Romancing the stone. Romancing the stone. I looked at your screen. You looked. It was great. Yeah. And what's the last one out of Africa? Is Robert Redford same thing. Person. They're nothing like. What's the last one? Oh my gosh, that's the last one I don't know. Oh. Okay. The last one is actually it's the movie I'm thinking of.

00;34;24;14 - 00;34;51;25
Unknown
Let me look it up really quickly. It's a movie that, I had to watch when we were in grad school for a screenwriting class, and I fucking hate it. It was one of the worst movies I had seen in any ever. It's like a family drama. Jeff Daniels is in it. Who's the other? There's like, there's the two leads are women, and I think one is Shirley MacLaine and the other one is Debra Winger.

00;34;51;25 - 00;35;14;09
Unknown
Jack Nicholson's in it. I mean, I, I think I know what movie you're talking about, I loved it, I won't remember Terms of Endearment. Yeah, yeah. Which. Fuck, I hated that movie. Oh, that's not bad. I got five out of ten. You got. Yeah. Also let me in. Most of this stuff that's in the international top ten is the same stuff that's in the other top ten inches in the right order.

00;35;14;11 - 00;35;36;08
Unknown
Beverly Hills Cop made 5 million more internationally than Ghostbusters, but domestically, Ghostbusters made way more holy crap, like 100 something where it was a huge no, I remember I mean, I was a year and a half ago, it came out. I remember how big Ghostbusters were when I was a kid. Okay, so now here's our next question.

00;35;36;08 - 00;36;07;12
Unknown
Okay. Arnold Schwarzenegger, box office. Okay. Let me just count. What's the top ten here? 123457. Okay. These 910 okay. So that's the cutoff right there. Give me what you think of the top ten Arnold Schwarzenegger movies for box office. Terminator two. Yeah, that's number one. Kindergarten cop. I thought that was on there.

00;36;07;15 - 00;36;35;09
Unknown
That looks like there's not it's number like 12. Okay, guys. Like twins. Yes. Jingle all the way. No, really, I would have thought his family stuff. Well, okay. So. Yeah. Okay, so I have twins and Terminator two, you also have two something that I'll tell you that might kind of give you a clue. Is that like adjusted for inflation and based on the market at the time and stuff, his 80s and 90s stuff probably did better.

00;36;35;12 - 00;37;02;19
Unknown
But a lot of these movies are more recent, just because more recent movies are making more money. More money. All right, Terminator Dark Fate, that's on there. Yep. Terminator three. Yep, that's number two. Can you believe that? True lies. Yep. That's on there. Okay. Did it end of days? Maybe. Probably. That's like number 11.

00;37;02;21 - 00;37;25;08
Unknown
Okay. That's close. Yeah. Newer stuff. Fuck. One of them is, oh. Go ahead. Oh, what's that movie that we watched where his wife gets lost in, like, South America? Forget the eraser. No. Is that what you're thinking of? No. It was, Oh, I know what you mean. It's not that movie eraser. Eraser is on there.

00;37;25;08 - 00;37;47;15
Unknown
Okay. Yeah. One of them is a movie Mando. No. Predator? Nope. Let me see where Commando and Predator are. They're probably down too low. Yeah. Predator made almost 100 million. No, that's pretty good filling at the time. Yeah. So, I mean, do they get like six? Okay, so there's two more. There's one more Terminator movie.

00;37;47;18 - 00;38;09;04
Unknown
Terminator. Terminator. No, no Terminator. Don't be salvation. No, he's not in that is Genesis. Oh, come on, I didn't want to say it. Stop was three. Oh, my God, I feel like. What else I do? Expendables two. Okay, that makes sense. Total recall. Oh, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a big hit. And the last one.

00;38;09;12 - 00;38;33;18
Unknown
See if you can guess this. He's not the lead, and it's a franchise. Was he in any of them? He wasn't in any of the Fast and Furious movies? No. It's way, way before this way. Well, that way, but like 15 years, whatever, ten, 15 years before so mid 90s, mid 90s. He's a villain and it's a franchise.

00;38;33;20 - 00;38;40;24
Unknown
Oh fuck. Why am I drawing uma Thurman's in it.

00;38;40;27 - 00;39;00;27
Unknown
George Clooney's in it. Oh my God. You know Ryan Ryan. Oh let's forget about that. That's a great movie. Good lord. We need to do an episode on that. Holy. I have hot takes on that movie. I like that movie. No, please. Oh, I thought you're going to kill me. I might do that later. She. I got those pretty good.

00;39;01;00 - 00;39;24;00
Unknown
It's hot. So it's my favorite films of his aren't on there. Do you want it? You got, day. So you want to try to get some Oscar winners from 1984? Sure. Best picture I'm gonna do is. Yep. Best director. The director of Amadeus. Yep. Milos Forman, best actor. Murray Abraham. Yep. Best actress. Fuck, yeah. You.

00;39;24;02 - 00;39;41;29
Unknown
Did you know that in 1985, the Golden Globes? But, Wait, what am I looking at? This actress. I don't see the Academy Award. Was it someone from Terms of Endearment? No. One movie? Places in the heart. I don't even know what the hell that is. Okay, I'll give you a hint. See if you can get it.

00;39;42;01 - 00;40;02;23
Unknown
They like me. They really like me. Are you like me? You really like me? Is that what she said when she won? You like me? You really like me, Sally field. Oh, okay. Best supporting actor. You're not going to get the supporting actress. You're not going to get the best adapted screenplay. I'm gonna. Days. Yep. Best original screenplay.

00;40;02;26 - 00;40;25;03
Unknown
Oh, I'll give you a hint. You like me. You really like me. The movie just places in the heart. Yep. Best original score? On this, passage to India, interestingly. Okay, but you know which won best original score at the BAFTAs that year. Any any American for once upon a time. Circle. Yeah. Oh. Supporting my family for.

00;40;25;03 - 00;40;43;29
Unknown
Yeah. Best foreign language film. I don't know, I'll give you a hint. If you're never in a million years, I don't get going to get it. It's a Swiss movie. Yeah, I don't know. Dangerous moves. I don't know what the hell that is. I don't know, I let's look it up. It's a 1984 French language film directed by Richard Tembo.

00;40;43;29 - 00;41;10;11
Unknown
Or maybe we shot number, good French. Whatever you're trying to do. Whatever. So you're a Soviet chess grandmaster? Oh, that sounds dreadful. Okay. Golden Raspberry Awards worst picture. You want to guess? 84? I mean, I don't know, some horrible, shitty. I've never even heard of this movie. It's called Bolero. Have you heard of this? Yeah, with Bo Derek.

00;41;10;18 - 00;41;29;09
Unknown
I had never seen it. Or. I know the film centers on the protagonist's sexual awakening and her journey around the world to pursue the. Her first ideal lover who will take her virginity. Sounds like a porn. Then you just. They just straight up giving red roses to porn. No, no. Bo Derek because she's a real movies. Yes. Okay.

00;41;29;12 - 00;41;51;10
Unknown
Worst director, the director of Bolero. All right. Okay. This'll be fun. See if we can get this. I'm going to turn my thing so you can't find it. Worst actor. Someone you fucking love. But it's a movie I never heard of. Someone I love from 80. It's a musical comedy with an actor you love. I think you love Clint Eastwood.

00;41;51;13 - 00;42;17;11
Unknown
No it's not. He's not like that serious. Oh, think muscle daddy's Schwarzenegger, not him, van Damme. No, no, this is Chris Van Damme. Is so. So is the other big one. Was Schwarzenegger at the time. Stallone. Yeah. Stallone. Stallone in a movie called rhinestone with Dolly Parton. That's a musical. Sounds terrible. Have you ever seen that? No, I never even heard of it.

00;42;17;11 - 00;42;33;17
Unknown
I it's probably going to be awful. Do you know what one con that year con? What can't the consume? Festival? No. It's a movie that Gustavsson really likes. Take a wild guess. It's named after a city in America that's also the name of a city in Europe.

00;42;33;20 - 00;43;02;11
Unknown
Amsterdam. Paris, Texas. Various Texas. Don't know. See? See if you can guess what else. What won the Golden Lion at Venice that year? No. I'll give you a hint. It's bullish. It's never. You never drink I. How would I know it? Yeah, I know it. I heard of it a year in the quiet, son. Okay, so you can guess what it's about.

00;43;02;13 - 00;43;22;15
Unknown
A couple dealing with someone's impending death from cancer or something. So it's about a couple. It tells the story of a romance between a Polish woman and an American soldier in Poland shortly after World War two. Okay. So it's a serious movie. What a surprise. Yeah. And should we keep doing this? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

00;43;22;15 - 00;43;44;04
Unknown
For me. What? Can you guess what won the Golden Bear at the Berlin Film Festival? It's an American movie directed by a guy who's kind of known as, like, the founder of American independent cinema. I think in some respects, what Corman Cassavetes as well is fine. Fine. Okay. I'm not going to know any of these love streams. I'm not gonna know.

00;43;44;04 - 00;44;02;22
Unknown
Okay. Give me some questions on my and chance. Can you guess? Oh, actually, something else I want to talk about. Let's talk about this and I'll give you some, What? You got something I really noticed this time around watching Terminator, which I've noticed before, but, like, really struck me this time in part because of how many times I've seen Halloween recently.

00;44;02;25 - 00;44;33;02
Unknown
It's so influenced by Halloween with, like, this massive killing machine that barely speaks, that never stops coming. And like, the woman who's trying to run away from it is like an ordinary, like, like normal woman who's, like, very relatable and who you really like and doesn't really run very often on a log. But that had me thinking, and this is something I find fascinating, the because there's, you know, you can create a lineage in a history of American screenwriting going all the way back to the beginning of screenwriting.

00;44;33;05 - 00;45;01;07
Unknown
But within that, there are eras in the way that stories are told and developed and stuff like that. And I think that the, the modern era of like, I mean, obviously Marvel has changed this, but leading up to the Marvel era. So basically, like late 70s through the Marvel era, you had an era in mainstream storytelling. That is what I learned basically when I was at grad school, because we went to school in L.A and we were taught mainstream American filmmaking.

00;45;01;14 - 00;45;33;04
Unknown
That has a very specific, like narrative style and structure. And I think that you can kind of trace the beginning of that to Star Wars and then like these other really successful genre movies of the time, I think Raiders of the Lost Ark is another really big one, but I think a movie that doesn't get enough credit for its influence on storytelling genre, cinema in general, and like narrative structure and stuff like that is Halloween like, I think the influence of Halloween is almost like impossible to overestimate.

00;45;33;07 - 00;46;02;18
Unknown
I mean, it's heavily influenced slashers, and most directors and horror people reference Halloween and things of like the slashers, but it's not really you kind of pigeonhole into like a horror slasher area, but it's where like so many. Yeah. Whereas yeah, yeah, because it influenced Terminator, which goes on to influence tons of things. Right. And it's I think that the influence of it even down to like the score and how many movies I mean, John Carpenter obviously is hugely influential, influential.

00;46;02;18 - 00;46;22;08
Unknown
And we're going to see and we are we're going to see John John Carpenter in concert in October. That's gonna be nice. Will this oh, look at will this episode be out before? Yeah for sure. Do you think so? Yeah. Should we do an episode about that concert to point? So what do you think? Because you watch a lot of 80s movies.

00;46;22;09 - 00;46;42;21
Unknown
Hey. Oh, yeah? What are other movies? I two more obvious ones that come to mind for me are Close Encounters of the Third Kind of E.T., because they're that similar thing of like, here's this crazy genre concept. Let's put it in our world. Terminator does that. E.T. obviously Close Encounters, like I said, and then moving forward from that, you get shit like The Goonies or wherever, right?

00;46;42;23 - 00;47;13;23
Unknown
What do you think are other like landmark movies or like building blocks in this kind of what we consider like the modern, tentpole like narrative style from that era. Do you think Carpenter is in there besides Halloween, like his work or like I would say, and it's not my favorite Carpenter film, but I would say the one that is kind of the most different and unique would be Big Trouble in Little China because it's it's like really campy and silly and goofy that.

00;47;13;25 - 00;47;32;18
Unknown
But that's another great example of crazy shit lurking behind the doors. Like, yeah, that would be one. They live desert. They live, but they live is like you know, it's I don't think it changes the mold of films. It's like it's I love they live. It's my second favorite John Carpenter movie after tell us your first thing.

00;47;32;18 - 00;47;52;07
Unknown
We all know that it's pretty good thing. And then they live. The thing I think about with the thing I have to mention this. If you're the producers of the Thing and you're like, oh shit, we got the guy who did Halloween and he's making a sci fi movie. You're you're like, we're going to make so much money that we're going to be like, we're going to own our own mint.

00;47;52;10 - 00;48;13;00
Unknown
You know what a film I think is also kind of influential is predator. Oh big. There's a lot of in the West. See there's a lot of like macho guy action films like Schwarzenegger was on a bunch of them before predator. But like, I'm, I'm drawing a blank of, like, a big macho ensemble cast. Oh, yeah. That's interesting.

00;48;13;00 - 00;48;36;03
Unknown
I never thought about that. But, like, there's ensemble films, but all of them were like, macho, tough guys. And now you see that brought back with, like, Expendables and like all these other films. It also is interesting, actually, now that you mention predator, because in a way, there is a similar structural elements to Terminator, which you can trace back to Halloween of this thing that is just coming for you relentlessly.

00;48;36;07 - 00;48;55;22
Unknown
The whole movie, and it's a high tech and more things, but the whole I mean, the thing about Halloween that I think carries over into Terminator in a way, even though Terminator expands much beyond that by going into the future with the wars and the mythology and stuff. Is that Halloween is very much about this thing coming for you.

00;48;55;22 - 00;49;16;27
Unknown
Yeah. And the movement of the story is, how can you survive? Right. And Terminator is the same thing. It's it's about them surviving this attack, basically this pursuit and predator is the same. Then I can't think of another group of macho guys before that. Well Seven Samurai well, but that's not the same. You're talking about muscle dead. Yeah.

00;49;17;00 - 00;49;40;11
Unknown
That is. And then another film, I think, from Phone call is, Scarface. Oh, yeah. It's one of the earliest films I could see where it's like you have a mafia mobster gangster movie that's also really cool. Really like peppy, like hip soundtrack. Yeah, but also, you kind of like the bad guy, right? You kind of like Tony Montana.

00;49;40;11 - 00;50;02;16
Unknown
He's funny. And that's such a thing. And that's. Yeah. If you look at older Mafia movies, they go out of their way to make you not like them because you're not supposed. Well, part of that was the code, though, that you had to make them all right, pay for what they've done. And he was Scarface. But like for a good chunk of the film, he's before he becomes, you know, the head of the organized crime.

00;50;02;16 - 00;50;37;29
Unknown
He's like an underdog and you kind of root for him. Right. And that's like, that's very different where and that's become a huge cultural touchstone for a lot of people who see themselves. Yeah. And that's why Scarface became so popular. So I think that's one that's a great I didn't even think about that. And one of the things I love about Scarface, too, is that it's so 80s and and it's very early in the 80s, and Oliver Stone said in his book, he was trying to write the movie that he thought America wanted in this era of like, excess and bloodlust and like, chaos and drugs and money and like, I think I think,

00;50;38;01 - 00;50;56;04
Unknown
Nightmare on Elm Street's one again. Also where Friday the 13th, I mean, in nightmare, that's a Halloween ripoff, but it really root for Freddy Krueger. Oh, you're talking about movies where you root for the villain. Oh, well, it's another one, right? Because Halloween, you really don't root for Michael Myers. And, because he has no personality. Yeah. And they seem they just.

00;50;56;05 - 00;51;14;17
Unknown
Yeah. Freddy, you like you like him, which is horrible because he's like a pedophile, child murderer or serial killer. Right? So like that, and then I was gonna say in, Well, what do you think of buddy cop movies with, like, I was going to say that, too. So 48 hours is laid out first one. Right?

00;51;14;24 - 00;51;32;25
Unknown
Because you could say Lethal Weapon before any hours. Well, that's the thing. Like, I love Lethal Weapon, and I do think that it's a very influential franchise, but it was part of a trend. Yeah, it was happening at that time and it just did it really well. But like, yeah, 48 hours until 1982 I think. Yeah. I don't know if a ton of buddy cop.

00;51;32;27 - 00;51;57;25
Unknown
I mean I'm sure there's always partners and stuff, but that was like an action comedy buddy cop. And it led the way to Lethal Weapon and, Owen Wilson and Jackie. And here's something really interesting, actually, the movie that's frequently cited as like the predecessor of the buddy cop genre is see if you can guess what year that 249 fuck, I don't curse out movie.

00;51;57;25 - 00;52;25;17
Unknown
Oh yeah, Stray dog, which is that's crazy to me because yes and no. It's a movie about two cops, one who's older and one who's younger, and their mentorship, relationship and stuff. But it's about like post-World War Two Japan and like, poverty and desperation. Like, it's not like a fun 80s like buddy cop movie. And then I have, I think one more and I don't daddy might like it or might not tell me what you know, what sport.

00;52;25;20 - 00;52;48;05
Unknown
Tell us why I love it. Well, I love lust for. But I think 80 would lust for came out. That was really the rise of like. I feel like the new wave of, like, martial arts daddies. Yeah, because Schwarzenegger's not in Stallone. They're not more martial artists now, and Mel Gibson's not. But but Ivan Drago, he's a martial artist.

00;52;48;05 - 00;53;05;26
Unknown
He is. But he was the villain. Yeah. And and when you see his movies, he's not doing a whole lot of martial arts. He's just shooting people. Yeah. So, like 88 was Bloodsport, 89 was kickboxer, 88 was Seagal, too? I think, for justice, I was that his first one or was it above law or one of those out for one of those?

00;53;05;26 - 00;53;21;19
Unknown
Right. I for justice is 91. So yeah, it's above the law. Yeah. So that and so and then Bruce Willis was die hard. He's it was like a new wave. He. So the martial nuns. But it was like a new wave of martial arts daddies because, actions were awful. Although he never became as big as this, like Van Damme.

00;53;21;19 - 00;53;44;23
Unknown
Seagal. But Chuck Norris in in Lethal Weapon, Mel Gibson has that. He has that big fight at and where he's doing martial arts. Yeah, no, there's been martial arts. I'm saying, like those films that I mentioned that literally 90, like 90% of the movie is like the one that set off that second wave of. Yeah, but is that is do you think the narrative template of that movie was huge?

00;53;44;23 - 00;54;05;01
Unknown
I guess it was because, well, many movies like he made three movies, they're basically the same movie that just skipped out on that first no kid poster was after it. Was it? Okay, so B+ four is 88, kickboxer is 89. I mean, he did the quest in 96. The same movie. Die Hard is obviously a template film. And then the watches, because then there was kickboxer two, three, four.

00;54;05;02 - 00;54;30;23
Unknown
There's so many of them. Yeah, even though he wasn't in any of them. Yeah. But like so he kicked off this whole template of the tournament basically. And I know you could say maybe a kick or Karate Kid did it, but like criticism a kid's movie and those. No what you surrenders like kids movie like I'm just saying like with this new wave of action stars in the late 80s to mid to late 90s Bloodsport, I feel like kind of what got it.

00;54;30;26 - 00;54;48;09
Unknown
Also worth mentioning, around that same time, but a movie that's often thought of as a separate thing because it's a horror movie and like a grindhouse movie is, Dawn of the dead. Oh, yeah, which is 78, right? Or was it before the Dawn of the dead was 78. Right. And well, night of the Living Dead is the ultimate example because he.

00;54;48;15 - 00;55;11;17
Unknown
That movie is so early. Yeah, but of that the those those practical effects and it's interestingly I've been really into Cronenberg recently. Shivers came out in 75 I think, which is a really early for that. Kind of like super gory practical effects, blood everywhere, people being ripped to pieces. There's that whole you could trace that into the 80s, right?

00;55;11;17 - 00;55;31;05
Unknown
With like, Re-Animator and that whole, like extreme gore kind of thing of and day of the dead is another example of that. And again, that does go all the way back to the 60s with night of the Living Dead, but I think that's a pretty good list, though. Okay, but there's one other subgenre I wanted to show teen movies, because those movies were so big in the 80s, really big.

00;55;31;05 - 00;55;52;13
Unknown
And we watched a bunch of old. And I love those movies, so I do to Valley Girl. Is that one of the earliest 80s? No, that's 83 really. Fast Times at Ridgemont High is 8282. Billie Jean, I thought was like, later, this time I remember how it sounds like is often credited in reference as one of the.

00;55;52;13 - 00;56;30;17
Unknown
But then there's what was the earliest John Carpenter or Jeff, what am I saying? John Hughes teen movie. Was it 84 or 65? 16 candles was 84. Right here. Let's Google it. 80s teen movies. There's the outsiders. Oh, that was really early. That's 83. That's so that's still after Fast Times at Ridgemont High. But that movie had such a the movie's 1980, not 80s, but just say 80 teen movies, 1980 is probably something we're missing.

00;56;30;17 - 00;56;52;22
Unknown
It's giving us there's colors day off. Yep. That's like, oh, that's high or something, right? Yeah, yeah. Risky Business was 83 I think stand by me. Here we go. Category 1980s teen films. But does it give us to them in terms of I want to see like but I know you're talking about like kind of that subgenre because the 70s had the raunchy kind of subgenre like college kids.

00;56;52;24 - 00;57;21;14
Unknown
Well, but then you the, the and they led into the 80s to actually. Oh, okay. Actually, is it Halloween? That's a teen movie. I mean, 1978 classify that as Friday the 13th, 1980 teen with. But there's that slasher teen thing, right? But so then if we're getting Fast Times at Ridgemont High is 82. Yeah. And then 83 is Valley Girl and, The Outsiders and was Risky Business 83.

00;57;21;15 - 00;57;41;08
Unknown
No, I think it's later. No, it is 83. Is it so. Yeah. So I guess that's kind of around when those films were because that's I mean, again, there have been movies about teenagers since like, oh, 50s, but 80s teen movies is a very specific thing. Right. So, so what's, what are your top five 80s movies?

00;57;41;08 - 00;58;00;19
Unknown
Not Hong Kong. Any 80s movies? 80s, but not the whole decade. Any genre and nothing specific. Yeah. Just go right now. No Long Kong, because I know, like, 2 or 3 of them would have been Hong Kong movies like okay, City of Fire and stuff. So now you have to do Americans and there's no parameters. Oh, so they have to be American.

00;58;00;19 - 00;58;23;19
Unknown
So that's really hard. And so I can't like I you said no Hong Kong like what about like not happen is also not a foreign film. No. As most people probably won't know them. So that's really hard now that I think about it, is this is a whole fucking decade. I mean, I know RoboCop. Oh hell yeah, I know, I know some of mine for sure.

00;58;23;21 - 00;58;44;07
Unknown
God, it's hard. I mean, maybe Lethal Weapon, I love that. That's good. The, you have two films from 87, the Eddie Murphy comedy. We as a group have done a lot of 80s rankings and all this and stuff. I know I wouldn't rank mine, but I'd say some of mine would be. It'd be coming to America. Blade runner, for sure would be on there.

00;58;44;07 - 00;59;03;04
Unknown
Yeah, that thing for sure would be on there. Prince of darkness I got to put on there. You know, I love it. I, I'm a big fan of, John Hughes films, Breakfast Club and Uncle Buck. I think. And planes, trains and all. One might be, pretty in pink. I love that movie. I love command that.

00;59;03;07 - 00;59;22;12
Unknown
You love Commando. Still from New York's in there. I would put, just I would put Videodrome on there. I just rewatched that last night. So. Minutes. Have you seen Videodrome? Yeah, not for a long time, but I do. Watch me. It's so good. There's so many. That's so hard. But then, you know, I love slasher movies, so.

00;59;22;14 - 00;59;43;11
Unknown
Yeah, there'd be at least one. I one about, like, your number one and only one from the whole decade. Yeah, like a desert island movie. Yeah. Just one. No. Yeah, but not a desert island movie. Because then you'll pick, like, what's the most fun? What do you think is the best movie of the 1980s? Like the best one made?

00;59;43;13 - 01;00;12;13
Unknown
My favorite. The one that there's no parameters. It's just all you're saying. Best movie is the series. Woke up. I woke up in terms of taking everything is there and get together and like it's I love. For me, it's between the thing and, Blade Runner. Yeah. Unbelievers. I can't argue against it. So then they then I also forget the fact that, like, the fucking like two of the original three Star Wars movies that I really care about, but they're they're hugely trashy.

01;00;12;19 - 01;00;36;00
Unknown
Oh, yeah. Of course. And if Raiders of the Lost Ark was 81, it's a great movie. Yeah. Tens and, the what's the other one? The other what? There's three Last crusade. Last Crusade. Yeah. Best 1980s movies. Just look at the I mean, it's. Oh, well, we can do 1980s American box office. Can we see the whole decade, which was amazing films.

01;00;36;02 - 01;00;56;19
Unknown
The two Star Wars films will definitely be on there, and probably two Indiana Jones, maybe even three Indiana Jones. Okay, okay, I got it. Okay, okay, I'm going to hide my computer screen. So hold on. Let me tell you how many. Oh, this looks like a 50. How many do you want to do. Top ten. Top ten. See if you can guess the top ten highest grossing movies of the 1980s.

01;00;56;22 - 01;01;20;01
Unknown
Star Wars which one? Return of the Jedi? Yep, that's on their number six Star Wars Empire Strikes. But that's number two. Yeah, they're both on there. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Number three. Indiana Jones, the first one. These are my Raiders. Yeah, that's number nine. Is Temple of Doom. 1 or 2? That's number ten. Jesus.

01;01;20;01 - 01;01;50;26
Unknown
All three of them. So that's five, right? 80s. Okay. Ghostbusters. What's not top ten? What? E.T.? Yes. Number one. I think this is international, not domestic. It is. I don't think it's going to be any action movies. There might be, Lethal Weapon. No, that's that's up ten, 48 hours.

01;01;50;28 - 01;02;15;14
Unknown
No. Beverly Hills, I can give you a hint. What year? Okay, I'll give you, I'm going to focus on one movie. I'll give you a hint. If you don't get it, I'll give you another hint. 1989 89. Now, I already said that it was a huge movie for me personally as a kid. Maybe like the most important movie I saw as a kid.

01;02;15;17 - 01;02;36;12
Unknown
Oh, Akira. No, I was 88, right? Yeah. We rented my son out when I was five. Now, what did you see? What did I talk about? This movie a lot? 89, Tim Burton. Oh, Batman. Batman. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That was like my first favorite movie. I like that movie. Like change. All right. What, what other year?

01;02;36;15 - 01;03;08;25
Unknown
Get these. I'll get 86. Fuck. This is number seven on the list is Batman was number 46. Yeah. Was big in 86. He's still really popular now. The actor. Not Clint Eastwood, not Mel Gibson. Younger than those guys. A little bit than Mel. Definitely younger than Clint Eastwood. 86 Not Dylan. Was it still on to Clapper?

01;03;09;00 - 01;03;38;19
Unknown
Oh, well, Top Gun? Yep. Yeah. Okay. How many more do you have to guess? Oh, okay. That the list? You know, the ones I've just number five on the list. Came out in 1985. Okay. It's a comedy. Okay. The Goonies, no good gas supplies on the list anywhere. Five. Comedy. It does involve.

01;03;38;22 - 01;03;47;15
Unknown
No, it's like a comedy sci fi. There's time travel and.

01;03;47;17 - 01;04;02;11
Unknown
I'm going to be annoyed. It's really obvious. Yeah. No. So I'm going to be annoyed. Do you need another hand? Yeah. Crispin Glover is in it. I that's. I can help him Michael J. Fox, isn't it?

01;04;02;13 - 01;04;23;18
Unknown
Michael Michael J Fox and Crispin Glover in the 85. Crispin Glover is not like a lead. He's just in it. I don't know if I've seen this. I do not know what it is. Is a time travel movie with Michael J. Fox. Oh, I thought I thought you said Michael Douglas.

01;04;23;20 - 01;04;46;14
Unknown
Back to the future. I thought you said Michael Douglas literally repeated me. Michael, I don't, but I was thinking of Michael Douglas for some reason. I was like, Wall Street or like what? Okay, back to the future. Yeah. There's one other one that I never in a million years. Well, what's the year 88, 88 was genre. It's a drama.

01;04;46;16 - 01;05;12;07
Unknown
Good lord. There's. That's too broad. There's no way I'm to get it. It's about brother. I think they're brothers. It's got two really famous dudes in it. Tango and Cat. They're not brothers. And now when the actors are brothers. No, I think it's about the characters being brothers. Right? Fuck. Oh, man, there's no way who's in it.

01;05;12;07 - 01;05;28;16
Unknown
I only saw it once when I was a little. I bet you I wouldn't even know if you tell me. Who's it? Oh, you absolutely will know if I tell you. Who's it? Oh, Dustin Hoffman and Tom cruise. Rain man, rain man. Yeah. Do you want to guess the next top five? The winner, 11 to 15. What's the next top five?

01;05;28;18 - 01;05;49;14
Unknown
What is a sequel to one of the movies we already mentioned? So we did all three Indiana Jones. We did the two Star Wars. Yep. Michael Douglas is in it. Back for part two. Back to the future, part two. Yeah, that's number 11. Okay. What's no 12? Number 15. You already guessed for the first, accounts.

01;05;49;14 - 01;06;10;29
Unknown
What? I saw Beverly Hills Cop. Okay, so there's three more. Yeah. Number 12 came out in 1988. Okay. This is a hybrid live action cartoon, Who framed Jessica Rabbit? Now, that was, Hoover and Roger rabbit, who from? Okay, number 13 came out 1986. And I will give you a quote from it. And forgive my terrible accent.

01;06;11;01 - 01;06;31;25
Unknown
That's not a knife. This is a knife, Crocodile Dundee. Yep. Damn, I didn't realize it came up that number 14, 1987 does have, I think. Wait, hold on. Let me just check if it's the movie that I think it is. You're just inventing movies like me does have Michael Douglas in it. Wall Street. No, no, I think Glenn Close is in it.

01;06;31;25 - 01;06;58;05
Unknown
Oh. Basic instinct, fatal Attraction. Yep. That's, I get those two mixed up, and then number 16 is a movie where a guy gets shot with an exploding arrow and blows to pieces by a man with gleaming, giant oiled muscles in the John Kroger no. What? Commando? No. The exploding arrow. Come on, come on. What's the exploding arrow movie?

01;06;58;08 - 01;07;19;01
Unknown
Predator. Right? No, bro. Rambo? Yep. Rambo two. Number 17 is Rocky four. Okay, I would have thought more Rocky films would be on it because, well, the first ones in the 1770s, but the second one was was the second one also in the 70s. That's Google. I don't actually know the first one. 76 Rocky two came out in 79.

01;07;19;01 - 01;07;44;04
Unknown
Yeah. Okay. So three and four were in the 80s. Lethal weapon two is number 24 on the list. Yeah. Well, that's one I think we should probably wrap it up. It made so much money, I didn't. Everyone loves that. It's like, that's a great fucking movie. I didn't realize it was number one of the whole two Star Wars movies, three Indiana Jones movies, Batman, back to the future, and E.T. made the modern steelworks such a pig in the 80s.

01;07;44;04 - 01;08;03;12
Unknown
Like all those things you mentioned, he was involved in, basically directed the three Indiana Jones movie, and he directed E.T.. Yeah, he produced back to the future, didn't he? I think he produced that. Maybe. Wasn't he involved in it somehow? Maybe. And and, I think him and Lucas were friends or had some kind of. They were buddies.

01;08;03;12 - 01;08;26;21
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah, that. Well, that's why because Indiana Jones is one pig in the 80s, I mean, 92, I mean, still, actually, his entire career thing is pig of all pigs. Well, that was a fun little. That was a lot of fun. So should we do, more movies or more episodes like this where we should do more episodes when we can quiz each other?

01;08;26;21 - 01;08;50;24
Unknown
I'll come up with some stuff for you to test your knowledge. No, it's more fun to quiz, you know, some of them done well, half the time I just make shit up making it movies and actors that don't exist and like saying it with absolute like certainty. Like I know what I'm talking about. Okay, wait. Hold on. Do you want to guess Spielberg's top ten books?

01;08;50;25 - 01;09;09;24
Unknown
I mean, I could do that. I'm sure I can get that. No, but, Holmes, this list sucks. Yeah, it's not too hard. No, it's that list. The list sucks because it includes his producing credits and then the director just directing. I think I can get at least seven. Okay, let me say it. This is January 9th, 2025. Steven Spielberg's top ten highest grossing movies.

01;09;09;24 - 01;09;34;26
Unknown
Okay, so I'm just going to try and go in order of years because they'll help me keep track. I'm sure jaws is on there. Yep, that's number eight. Okay, so 75 and then Indiana Jones. Which one? The Last Crusade that's on there. Yeah. Indiana Jones and God damn it, I keep forgetting the names. The first one, Raiders of the Lost Ark.

01;09;34;26 - 01;09;56;15
Unknown
Yeah, I let's see. That might not be on here just because of inflation. So is the only Indiana Jones, the, Last Crusade. Oh, no way. Horn. No. There's another Indiana temple of Doom. No, it's a it's, like the Crystal skull. Yeah, that's a number three. So that. So that was a E.T.. Yeah, that's on here. That's number two 80s.

01;09;56;15 - 01;10;22;20
Unknown
He didn't, he didn't do Goonies. Didn't know he'd produced it in the 80s. I would say that's Schindler's List. That's not on there, but another 1 or 2 movie, Saving Private Ryan in his defense. Number seven, Jurassic Park. That's number one. Oh, okay. Jurassic Park. And then how many is that already? Let me do. I have left, you have one, two, three.

01;10;22;20 - 01;10;46;16
Unknown
It looks like three left. Did you do minority Report? No. You have four left? Yeah, he did, but that's not on here. Okay. There is some stuff from that era from the early two. There's also a sequel, Jurassic Park two. Yep. I wasn't that good. There's a Tom cruise movie from the early 2000. Tom Cruise movie from early two.

01;10;46;19 - 01;11;07;29
Unknown
Well, like mid 2000, I guess. I never seen it, but it's a remake of a famous 50s movie. The, I'm drawn blank on the War of the worlds. Okay. Yeah. That. And then is it some later movie he did? So there's two more. There's. Yeah, they're both recent in the, is there not movies that you would think of?

01;11;08;02 - 01;11;13;17
Unknown
Spielberg I can't I don't know a lot of his.

01;11;13;20 - 01;11;34;28
Unknown
Oh my God, for those not watching, he just shit himself. You just shit his pants. I can't believe it. I think we have to end the podcast. Just tell me the other two movies. I can't guess. Let's see. Let's start smelling like tits to Tintin. Yeah, okay. What else? And ready player one. Yeah. I wouldn't have never guessed so stinky.

01;11;34;28 - 01;11;57;02
Unknown
First, Terminator is a ten. It's a ten. It's got to be a ten. It's one of the best movies of all time. Who did that? Yeah, there's only two people in here, and you're the one dying and shitting your pants. Good lord, that's unbelievable. If you hadn't propped yourself up, you still would have lifted in the air from the from the floor in.

01;11;57;03 - 01;12;22;12
Unknown
It is unreal. You could have killed a Terminator. You could have melted the skin off a Terminator. Would that ass guess it's unreal. Here we are having a good conversation. Rating. Rating. Spielberg's movies. I mentioned Schindler's List and then you. Shit. You're paying. Unbelievable. What about when Michael Douglas travel through time? That would've been a good movie. What was the best part?

01;12;22;12 - 01;12;38;14
Unknown
You just started making shit up again at some point. I always do that. The best part of the whole podcast was when I said, the storytelling in this movie is great, and you're like, that's what happens when you get, it's all you're doing is such paying how that pig I'm giving props to. It's not a conversation, though.

01;12;38;14 - 01;12;53;13
Unknown
It's because it doesn't need to be a comedy. No go. No, you're going to shit on me. Don't do it. I don't have an okay. If you're so lucky. You're so lucky you get to go. Oh, well, that was fun. That was really fun. Tell us what to do next. We don't have a movie picked out for next.

01;12;53;18 - 01;13;09;17
Unknown
Well, the next one we're going to. We're not going to do a movie, because I have a special topic that I haven't told you about. Oh, let's do that. And so the next movie, I don't even know whose turn it is to pick. I'll pick and you can pick, I'll pick, I've watched a lot of movies lately that are fun.

01;13;09;17 - 01;13;29;15
Unknown
I don't know if they'd be good for our podcast. But. Well, you mentioned one that I've seen the host. You mentioned that today. The Korean movie. Yeah. You heard a big fan, right? I think I think it would be fun to do a current film that I kind of liked. And the more I think about it, the more I liked it.

01;13;29;21 - 01;13;44;18
Unknown
Okay. And I don't think you've seen it, but I think you want to see it. Well, tell me what it is. Gladiator two. Oh, yeah. No, I haven't seen it. And, it's it's out now on, like, all the streaming platforms, and I think it's out on Paramount or something like that. So we could watch it maybe.

01;13;44;18 - 01;14;10;09
Unknown
And, I think it'd be fun to discuss because it's more current. Yeah. But the more I think about it, the more I like it. Okay. That's good, because I heard very mixed things when it came out. Some people really liked it. Some people did not care about the spectacle of it is amazing. Okay. And Denzel's really, is there any, is any of it practical spectacle or is it all there's tons of CGI, there's some CG, and there's tons of practical.

01;14;10;09 - 01;14;27;15
Unknown
Oh that's good. Okay. All right, that'll be fun. And the scale of it. But the next episode is going to be something else. And actually, we might have a guest. Oh well we didn't we did we talk about this tonight? No. Bringing Danny in, I don't remember, I'm sure we talked about. All I can remember is your ass exploding.

01;14;27;18 - 01;14;49;02
Unknown
Our friend Danny, who has been on Danny has been in previous shit we've done. I feel like he's a little twink. And Danny is now on a show called The Pit, which apparently is doing really well. And, so. But I want to talk about a specific topic. That is something that Danny likes to talk a lot about.

01;14;49;02 - 01;15;07;13
Unknown
So I thought it'd be fun to bring Danny in to talk us it. You know, it'll be a nice surprise. Yes. And just be the two of you pounding the whole time. Well, I shit on you. The most popular podcast ever. We go viral instantly. You know, they'd be like, what's wrong with America? And they just show him video.

01;15;07;15 - 01;15;26;10
Unknown
The these two people, these old people should be having wives and kids and houses and stuff. They're in a podcast room sitting on it. And the one who does have a wife and kids is sitting on the water fucking. It's. Woody, what do you guys think? Should we do that episode? Should you guys like to watch that? Would you?

01;15;26;15 - 01;15;46;21
Unknown
No one would like to watch someone would love to watch it and would be off to it. I guarantee you someone would. You can find someone beating off to anything. It's that it's true. It's sad, but it's true. It's true, it's very true. So. All right. Oh, fuck. Well, thanks. That was fun. I can't believe you shit your pants like that.

01;15;46;28 - 01;15;50;24
Unknown
You. You propped yourself up to give you more of route to shit.